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...a slight correction to the above.
With REFLECT, when dealing with MANUAL verification, as mentioned above, if only the selected segment is chosen, only that segment will be verified. If that option is not chosen, the entire image chain UP TO THE SELECTED SEGMENT will be verified, not including any segment beyond the selected segment.
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@Froggie, your explanation clarifies why Macrium Reflect performs image verification faster than Hasleo Backup Suite after backup completion. When full image verification is selected, Hasleo Backup Suite checks all existing backup segments, whereas Macrium Reflect always checks only the newly created backup segment.
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@Froggie,
I don't do differential or incremental backup disk/partition images. I don't do scheduled Full or any other kind of scheduled images. As such, I never see that check box you have in your screenshot.
My Full manually-initiated Disk/Partition backup images are of ALL partitions. Macrium Reflect is verifying the entire image I just created from a Source internal SSD to a Target internal HDD.
If you have any doubts, head over the Macrium Reflect Forums, and ask @jphughan, their resident non-Macrium-employee expert, about what MR8 would verify. I would be most interested if you would share what he says. I have been a member of their Forums for years, though not very active in posting, but I visit the MR Forums almost daily, as you will see from my "Visits" stats on the MR Forums. I use the same name there: garioch7.
My testing results are valid on my computer with the parameters I have described above, and in earlier posts. I will be doing a manual Full Disk/Partition backup image on this coming Friday afternoon, using Macrium Reflect 8 (MR8). I will carefully note the image creation time and the image verification time, and post a screenshot that demonstrates I have no check boxes checked, because there are none there.
There does seem to be a reluctance to repeat testing with MY parameters so that they can be verified. So far, I have seen no replies that exactly duplicate my imaging parameters, so we are comparing applies to oranges.
On following Fridays, I will also records the Easeus image creation and check image times, and then a week later, carefully note the HBSP times, with photos of the disk structure and screen shots from both apps.
The purpose of my posts is NOT to disparage HBSP, with which I am pleased, but to submit some real-world testing results for consideration by the Hasleo Team. I mean NO disrespect to them, or anyone else. I have been informed that such testing is welcome here. I seek to contribute, not criticize. HBSP can only continue to evolve and be enhanced when there is meaningful, empirical tests done on how the software performs for a multitude of customers.
Thank you for this continuing discussion. It demonstrates to me that Hasleo Software is committed to enhancing their products by engaging with their customers.
Have a great day.
Regards,
Phil
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Yesterday, 07:56 AM
@Froggie,
First off, I have to apologize to you. It was not courteous or professional of me that ask you to join the Macrium Forums to prove MY point that Macrium Reflect, as I have it configured, with the "Auto-Verify Image" turned on, is verifying my newly-created entire Full Disk/Partition Image. It is no excuse, but I was getting frustrated because it seemed to me that my testing protocol was being questioned ...
That is NO excuse! You were the person, with your posts in the Wilders Security Forums, who induced me to purchase HBSP to finally replace my MR8, when Windows eventually breaks it. I thank you for getting the word out about HBSP. I sincerely apologize. ![[Image: sad.gif]](https://www.easyuefi.com/forums/images/icons/sad.gif)
Secondly, I went to the Macrium Site and looked for the answer, which is what I should have done in the first place. I have been a member of that Forum since 2015, and have 4.3K visits. I don't contribute a lot, but I read everything of interest to me.
Here is an excerpt from the Macrium Reflect Knowledge Base publication:
"Auto Verify Image
When this option is enabled, Macrium Reflect backup files will be verified immediately after creation. This helps ensure that no corruption of data occurred while the image was being written to the destination. Enabling this option can considerably increase the amount of time taken to create the image:"
MRKB Link: https://kbx.macrium.com/macrium-reflect-...ge-options
Once again, I apologize. I am old (73), and I get cranky when I perceive that others conclude that my testing protocol is inaccurate.
Have a great day.
Regards,
Phil
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(Yesterday, 07:56 AM)garioch7 Wrote: @Froggie,
Once again, I apologize. I am old (73), and I get cranky when I perceive that others conclude that my testing protocol is inaccurate.
Have a great day.
Regards,
Phil
 ... no apologies necessary... I have 9-yrs on you and get just as cranky at times 
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@garioch7 Please don't feel discouraged or personally questioned. In technical discussions, it’s completely normal to arrive at different results and viewpoints due to information gaps or differences in testing environments. Our goal has always been to work with you to clarify this matter, understand the differences between the two products, and improve our own. It was never our intention to cast doubt on your personal ability or judgment.
On the contrary, we are very grateful when users identify potential issues. This kind of direct feedback is the most effective way to identify areas for improvement and refine the user experience, ultimately helping us build a more robust product.
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I thought you may be interested in the results of some testing I have performed using 3 different External USB drives.
I have done a full system backup of the same 4 partitions (100MB EFI system, 16MB MSR, 100GB Win11 C:\ and 800MB Recovery) using both Macrium V8 Free and Hasleo 5.4.2.5.
In each case I ran the backup without the verify option ticked, so I could check the actual backup time.
I then ran a manual full image verify to time how long that took in each case.
I created new tasks in each case so that the backup folder contained just the single backup image.
The USB drives I used were as follows:
External Crucial X8 2TB SSD
External Toshiba 2TB 2.5" HDD
External Seagate 4TB 2.5" HDD
Results:
Macrium V8 Backup Time Verify Time Size
Crucial X8 3m 09s 2m 35s 38GB
Toshiba 2TB 6m 57s 6m 53s 38GB
Seagate 4TB 6m 15s 5m 22s 38GB
Hasleo V5425 Backup Time Verify Time Size
Crucial X8 1m 04s 1m 53s 35GB
Toshiba 2TB 7m 08s 19m 47s 35GB
Seagate 4TB 5m 31s 12m 01s 35GB
Conclusions.
in both Macrium and Hasleo the backup and verify times using ext SSD are considerably shorter as expected.
The verify times are roughly similar to the backup times in all cases for Macrium
The times are acceptable for Macrium using ext HDD
Hasleo produces slightly smaller backup files due to the new compression method implemented since V5
The verify times are longer than the backup times in all case for Hasleo, in one case by nearly 3 times !!
The Hasleo verify times are acceptable using an external SSD, but the times using external HDD clearly need some work to deliver an acceptable time.
Let me know if you need me to clarify any of my results, or to run further tests.
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(Yesterday, 07:06 PM)pt58 Wrote: I thought you may be interested in the results of some testing I have performed using 3 different External USB drives.
I have done a full system backup of the same 4 partitions (100MB EFI system, 16MB MSR, 100GB Win11 C:\ and 800MB Recovery) using both Macrium V8 Free and Hasleo 5.4.2.5.
In each case I ran the backup without the verify option ticked, so I could check the actual backup time.
I then ran a manual full image verify to time how long that took in each case.
I created new tasks in each case so that the backup folder contained just the single backup image.
The USB drives I used were as follows:
External Crucial X8 2TB SSD
External Toshiba 2TB 2.5" HDD
External Seagate 4TB 2.5" HDD
Results:
Macrium V8 Backup Time Verify Time Size
Crucial X8 3m 09s 2m 35s 38GB
Toshiba 2TB 6m 57s 6m 53s 38GB
Seagate 4TB 6m 15s 5m 22s 38GB
Hasleo V5425 Backup Time Verify Time Size
Crucial X8 1m 04s 1m 53s 35GB
Toshiba 2TB 7m 08s 19m 47s 35GB
Seagate 4TB 5m 31s 12m 01s 35GB
Conclusions.
in both Macrium and Hasleo the backup and verify times using ext SSD are considerably shorter as expected.
The verify times are roughly similar to the backup times in all cases for Macrium
The times are acceptable for Macrium using ext HDD
Hasleo produces slightly smaller backup files due to the new compression method implemented since V5
The verify times are longer than the backup times in all case for Hasleo, in one case by nearly 3 times !!
The Hasleo verify times are acceptable using an external SSD, but the times using external HDD clearly need some work to deliver an acceptable time.
Let me know if you need me to clarify any of my results, or to run further tests.
Thank you very much for providing the test results. It appears that HBS's image verification function performs poorly on mechanical hardware, and we will optimize this aspect.
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Today, 08:08 AM
@pt58,
Thank you for sharing those results. I was filling a bit lonely!
From what I have observed in my short time here in the Forum, and as an HBSP customer, I am convinced that the Hasleo Team is really dedicated to developing best-in-class software.
We, the user community, can assist them by reporting our "real-world" testing results, so I commend you for the work you did. These are still relatively early days for the small team, so they do have some work to do to catch up with long-established backup programs. We all know that being number one in a software class is constant struggle to stay at number one: witness dBASE in the 80s and 90s. At one point, it controlled 80% of the database program home and business market. Now, no one has heard of them, because they made bad business and programming decisions.
Have a great day.
Regards,
Phil
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@admin:
Thank you for your reply. I will post my MR8 test results, with logs and screenshots on Friday.
Have a great day.
Regards,
Phil
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