11-09-2025, 11:56 PM (This post was last modified: 11-10-2025, 01:03 AM by admin.)
(11-09-2025, 10:03 PM)garioch7 Wrote:
Quote:"The backup source and destination are exactly the same, and all backups are performed using the default settings."
First, and foremost, no one who is serious about their system imaging backups would store their backup images on the source drive. One of the key reasons for full Disk/Partition images is to be able to restore a failed source drive to a new one, or one that has to be reformatted for some reason. If that one drive fails, the backup image is lost as well.
I'm sorry I may not have explained clearly. I meant that all the backups being performed are system backups, which means the source is the same, and all the backup images are stored on another SSD drive instead of the C: drive, so the destination drive is the same, and all operations are on the same computer. Therefore, this is a real use case.
(11-09-2025, 10:03 PM)garioch7 Wrote: I do not wish to be argumentative, but your testing does not compare with my testing. Perhaps you have a much more powerful computer and faster NVMe drives than my old 2019 Dell 8930 SE desktop, Windows 11 Pro (26200.7019). The focus of Hasleo Software should be to test for real-world situations. Moreover, I repeat my recommendation that HBSP seek to improve its Check Image times.
Your point is absolutely correct, and we completely agree. Genuine user experience is precisely the core goal we aim to optimize. Our internal testing environment indeed cannot fully cover all the different hardware configurations (including classic models like the 2019 Dell desktop you are using) and system states of users worldwide.
If you could retry the test we conducted above and provide us with the image check results, it would be immensely helpful in assisting us to identify the root cause of the issue (If Macrium Reflect 8's image check performance isn't higher than Hasleo Backup Suite in this case, then how can it achieve higher performance when executing the verification immediately after the backup is completed?), and we would be very grateful.
I adjusted the settings to have Macrium Reflect 8 perform an image check after completing the backup, then executed a differential backup on the full backup created earlier. After the backup finished, the image check also completed quickly. This seems to indicate that Macrium Reflect 8 either did not perform a check on the previous full backup or only executed a quick check.
You can delete the previous post. It was mistakenly sent before it was complete. Here is the full reply. I tried editing my first post, but the Board stated my ten minutes had expired, so it would not accept my edit. I think that rule is a bit too strict.
"@admin,
Thank you very much for your reply. I was grateful to receive it.
We are talking about different imaging options, apparently. I create "Disk/Partition" images, not "System" images. I am imaging my entire Drive C: (1 TB NVMe SSD), and all its six partitions. For the last backup I cited, my C: partition (Partition 2) was 223 GB in size. The other five partitions were probably an additional ~20 GB). When I create my images with all three imaging programs, I do NOTHING else. I manually initiate the imaging process (backup/file check) and watch it to conclusion. All that is running is my ESET antivirus and Malwarebytes Premium, plus the usual background processes.
Moreover, my destination drive is NOT an SSD, but an internal 4 TB WD Black HDD, which will make my backups and image checks slower than your test computer. Moreover, I am NOT doing the default "Quick Check." I have turned the HBSP Filters off entirely, so I am backing up everything and then doing a "Complete Check." That too will increase my times.
There is no option in MR8 to my knowledge for a "Quick Verify" or a "Complete Verify." It has only one Verify option that I have ever seen in my years of using Macrium since version 5.
Similarly, ETBH only has one Check Image" option, either on or off. There is no "Quick Check" option in that product either.
I am happy to run the testing again, this time carefully noting the of the three products use to create the backup, and then to Check/Verify it. I backup once a week on Friday afternoons. The coming Friday, I will run MR8. I will record my times and forward them.
The following Friday, I will use ETBH and note its times for backing up and checking the image, and report them.
The week after, I will use HBSP, and once again note the times.
If you require my detailed computer specs, I will be happy to provide them.
I decided to provide you with a dxdiag.txt report of my desktop. It may be a 2019 model, but I had Dell build it for high-definition video editing, one of my passions. Video editing is very resource-intensive, and using an average computer to edit HD videos takes so much longer than with a computer that has sufficient RAM and a dedicated, quality GPU.
My testing, therefore, is with a computer that is more powerful than the computers that most of your clients have.
You can delete the previous post. It was mistakenly sent before it was complete. Here is the full reply. I tried editing my first post, but the Board stated my ten minutes had expired, so it would not accept my edit. I think that rule is a bit too strict.
"@admin,
Thank you very much for your reply. I was grateful to receive it.
We are talking about different imaging options, apparently. I create "Disk/Partition" images, not "System" images. I am imaging my entire Drive C: (1 TB NVMe SSD), and all its six partitions. For the last backup I cited, my C: partition (Partition 2) was 223 GB in size. The other five partitions were probably an additional ~20 GB). When I create my images with all three imaging programs, I do NOTHING else. I manually initiate the imaging process (backup/file check) and watch it to conclusion. All that is running is my ESET antivirus and Malwarebytes Premium, plus the usual background processes.
Moreover, my destination drive is NOT an SSD, but an internal 4 TB WD Black HDD, which will make my backups and image checks slower than your test computer. Moreover, I am NOT doing the default "Quick Check." I have turned the HBSP Filters off entirely, so I am backing up everything and then doing a "Complete Check." That too will increase my times.
There is no option in MR8 to my knowledge for a "Quick Verify" or a "Complete Verify." It has only one Verify option that I have ever seen in my years of using Macrium since version 5.
Similarly, ETBH only has one Check Image" option, either on or off. There is no "Quick Check" option in that product either.
I am happy to run the testing again, this time carefully noting the of the three products use to create the backup, and then to Check/Verify it. I backup once a week on Friday afternoons. The coming Friday, I will run MR8. I will record my times and forward them.
The following Friday, I will use ETBH and note its times for backing up and checking the image, and report them.
The week after, I will use HBSP, and once again note the times.
If you require my detailed computer specs, I will be happy to provide them.
Thank you again. Have a great day.
Regards,
Phil"
When performing a manual image check, Macrium Reflect provides a "Verify just this Differential" option. So, in the post-backup image verification, does Macrium Reflect also only check the newly created image file? I have no way of knowing, it's just my guess because it finishes so quickly. Even if it's only reading 120GB of data from the disk, it shouldn't finish that fast.
You are correct. With that CheckBox selected, it will only check the selected file (Full, Diff, Inc)... in your case a differential. Without that CheckBox, it will check the entire image chain that the selected file is part of.
(11-11-2025, 11:32 AM)Froggie Wrote: You are correct. With that CheckBox selected, it will only check the selected file (Full, Diff, Inc)... in your case a differential. Without that CheckBox, it will check the entire image chain that the selected file is part of.
Welcome back. What I'm trying to figure out now is whether it checks the entire image chain after the backup is complete, or just the newly created backup file.
Thank you! If you have the VERIFY option set for a scheduled operation, it will only check the image segment taken by the operation (Full/Diff/Inc). If you want the entire image checked, it must be done manually via their "Existing Backups" TAB (select the segment and decide whether only the segment is verified or the whole image).
With REFLECT, when dealing with MANUAL verification, as mentioned above, if only the selected segment is chosen, only that segment will be verified. If that option is not chosen, the entire image chain UP TO THE SELECTED SEGMENT will be verified, not including any segment beyond the selected segment.
@Froggie, your explanation clarifies why Macrium Reflect performs image verification faster than Hasleo Backup Suite after backup completion. When full image verification is selected, Hasleo Backup Suite checks all existing backup segments, whereas Macrium Reflect always checks only the newly created backup segment.
